This is some correspondence. The earlier is at bottom.
Marilyn,
Let’s remember that this conversation started with a denial of the present doom that the world is facing.
Because a newly invented machine can measure something, doesn’t mean it has reality or value. Did these things exist two hundred years ago? No. They are belief systemsbased on machine measurements. I suppose you think science is real, but it is not, it is classification based on measurements by machines. When the machines change, the “reality” changes but it was not reality, it was a set of beliefs. If you identify a “field” as simply being a model based on goals of the researchers, (the machines are always invented to measure some aspect) the “field” is just another artificial classification. For example, there is no such thing as CO2. Many things are only real because
we think they are. If we empty of all that, we get to what really is, which cannot be classified or described.
Follow the money. Obviously, the “Global Consciousness Project” and the others you listed, exist to establish one world spirituality, culture,and government. “We are all one” But who cares? Answer, the globalists, who fund this stuff. “We are all one. Submit to the oneness. We are all one. Submit to the oneness. We are all one. Submit to the oneness.” Any study that is “global” is a globalist project, obviously. In fact, no ecosystem is global. The tropics are not the arctic. Nor is any consciousness. That is why there is no such thing as “humanity.” Therefore any “global study” has an imperial agenda. These studies are funded to deprive us of personal sovereignty. They could just as easily study every single organism’s uniqueness, but that wouldn’t help the agenda. Ask, why isn’t individuality studied? Always the morphic egalitoglianamorphisis is the “project.” How about, “none of us are equal and each of us must band together with others who are not equal to defend our turf” as proven by this study. Well, globalists won’t fund such a study.
And lets say someone measured earth’s personality. Okay, but what about the personality of the solar system or the galaxy? Oh, the model isn’t right! 🙂 Better get out our measuring sticks again.
If you study reality, not theories and conjectures, you will see the earth is dying. It is not a belief system. It is not a “morphic” field. It is not “dystopian programming.” It is real. We can spend our entire lives contemplating BS.
You wrote “We need to completely eradicate the programming whether one thinks they are programmed or not.” I completely agree! What is left is not theories and models.
Here are statistics on plankton. The following is counting, not classifying. Seriously, who would give two seconds to conjectures about “morphic fields?” These people are deranged. How about our children surviving?
I’ll finish this with a story. Krishnamurti was traveling with some others in a car, and the others were having a big discussion, and the car hit a goat, but only Krishnamurti noticed, the others were too busy talking.
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Okay to finally end this, most scientific research is shit. We already know that man made drugs weaken the immune system. No more
medical research needed. We already know that people have no business in space and no one has right to conduct surveillance or weaponry from space, so no space research necessary. (Rocket man is an idiot.) We already know that every agricultural innovation harms the soil and reduced biodiversity. No agricultural research needed. In fact, science serves no purpose now except to invent some new destructive technology. And every invention will require another polluting factory based on mining in someone else’s backyard.
So, what should we do? We should start learning from past cultures and get back in balance because only those close to Earth are going to survive, and they in fact, deserve to. I am very practical and will encourage everyone I know to head for the hills and dig in.
On 11/5/2015 at 9:34 AM, “Marilyn wrote:
You said…“There is no morphic field.”Really?Marilyn
Marilyn
That is all good. But the bottom line is not this awakening or that, the bottom line is having a planet to incarnate on
and taking care of our mom. The bottom line is consumption. And this comes down to numbers. And the ecological community is seeing
no crack in the progress of destruction. At same time, I ask, why aren’t they offering an alternative?
Like this. http://transitionus.org/ ; This group sees a road to sanity.
Most people who ponder the collapse are not doing anything about it.
This is because most people, including you my dear, are married to the system and the culture that says we are better off than Native Americans were. It is simply not true. They were better off! They had sustainability, we don’t. So our way will die, and will return to their way. It is just a matter of time. It is not a belief system. If in doubt, refer to ecology. Ecology will tell you the truth about this.
Zen Gardner is right if he recommends gardening as well as zen 🙂 His ending is classic head in the clouds.
“STOP CLOGGING UP THE MORPHIC FIELD BY YOUR ATTEMPTS TO CREATE DUALITY!” What a laugh. There is no morphic field. There is what there is without calling it anything, and calling “Morphic field” is clogging him up from stacking wood and carrying water. I would say, he has little experience of Zen. I like his writing in general, but here he fails.
You think that doom and gloom is a programmed mind set, but if you do understand ecology and numbers, then I ask again, do you think population will double again in 40 years? What is your answer?
The Globalists knew about this bottom line ever since Malthus correctly pointed it out. There is a limit to growth and that limit is either planned or dystopia. So THEY planned, and they planned to depopulate whoever they wanted to depopulate, and conserve their ethnic support group, and undermine others. Blacks are in the way, so AIDS and Ebola, and drugs for black ghettos. Asians are in the way so SARS, Bird Flu and other ethnic specific attacks that happened to fizzle. None of their pandemics will work. It is the fear driven vaccines people take that is the danger.
here is article on ethnic specific diseases. There used to be more like this.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13698570902887498
Doom is certain if we don’t expose the criminals and turn it around. It has nothing to do with attitude. A depleted planet, perhaps toxic beyond repair is now in our face. Fukashima will continue to pollute Pacific forever, unless you believe in miracles, and someone else is going to take care of it. Plants and animals go extinct when a percentage of their offspring are weak. This is what will come to west coast of USA soon. Within a decade the radioactivity will cause death zones where animals cannot successfully reproduce. Of course anyone wise will move from West Coast. This is the fact, already happening in Japan. It is not a belief, it is what is happening now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8frFHjMdI2g ; this youtube reports shell fish population collapse 2015.
this 2014 one is better IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAuben1X48Q
This is article on outlook for radiation. This is not a belief system. http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2015/03/05/fukushima-worlds-radiation-nightmare/
The 2008 financial collapse, all planned, and planned election of Obama, and Swine flu to bring about martial law, then fizzled. It was never planned for quantitative easing to continue for years etc. So now we have 5 more years of geo engineering perhaps forever altering the atmosphere. Very bad. Oceans. bad bad bad.
So if you understand that the most important reality is ecology, it doesn’t matter whether we are awake or not according to so and so, including me.
Marilyn, imagine everyone living like they did 200 years ago. That doesn’t look terrible to me. Ecologically, it is real progress 🙂 So the big change, the big wake up, the big “ascension”, the big rapture is people waking up and not seeking material comfort anymore.
The study of ecology is more enlightening than any belief system. “More candy, less biosphere.” When someone reports ecological reality as hard facts, and holds to it like a rock, they are like someone reporting a fire and “rigidly” warning people to run for their lives. Does it really matter whether we judge their warning as “abundant” or not when our lives are on the line?
I am nudging you toward dropping the program that says we are progressing. We are not. There is no evidence of that at all. Only the imagination, the narcissistic imagination that still has food in the unsustainable refrigerator, resists ecology. Articles like your Failure of Imagination article.
This is not an attitude debate. We are killing the planet. Not the elite, but us, we are the bottom of their pyramid holding them up. But instead, people are talking about creating their own reality. (gooble gooble gooble!)
This is good site http://transitionus.org/ ; so is this http://www.wwoof.net/
I have expressed opinions about our orientation. I am saying that ecology should be our number one guide. All else is bull poop! And this bull poop,
like the horror advice in Genesis of Bible, is dangerous. We can never think we have dominion over mom. The alternative is worth cultivating, or else!
The first sentences of your second article is not bull poop, it is perfect shit.
We do not create our own reality. barf barf barf. Who ever wrote it is disassociated from life on earth and is THE PROBLEM. Completely out to lunch. But, he has moved to the mountains of Virginia, and he will now become aware that he does not create his own reality and must prepare for winter regardless of what he thinks or creates or believes. He will also learn when to plant potatoes and how to store them. So I applaud him. He is on the road to the rural, our only chance. That is not my opinion, that is Ecology.
Ray
On 10/31/2015 at 10:11 AM, “Marilyn wrote:Well now let us not get insulting. Of course I know what ecology is! :/I will investigate the link you included, but meantime as I pondered this conversation 2 articles from the Zen Gardener came up in my FB feed that elucidate somewhat my attitude to this…..What I mean about the rock and rigid opinions….“The more an agenda is imposed upon others in an egotistical way, the more resistance will be demonstrated by those who oppose it.”
From: “rayupdates@hushmail.com” <rayupdates@hushmail.com>
To: Marilyn
I think Marilyn that you are not understanding the reality. The population will not double
again. It is going to get bad.
I do want depopulation, of course. There are too many people who will cause mass starvation,
but I think each community will have to come up with a plan of birth control, not a one world government. That is my goal, my purpose. Each region will stop immigration, and set realistic plan for surivival based on what they themselves can produce. And we will return to agrarian diverse communities. It doesn’t matter what I think or do, this will happen, but I feel I can massage it and help it happen.
As it is, the depopulation programs are already here. Cancer and autism and alzheimer and
who knows what is here already and will increase. There will be so much genetic mutation that infanticide, like in Fallujah
will be common. The radiation is already destroying Japan and is coming to West Coast. Wireless is slow kill. That is what it is. see www.Bioinitiative.org
I’ve been thinking about Costco run by Gates Sr. I’m wondering now about their food. I’ll bet it is not what they claim.
It doesn”t matter which people do or don’t have hope. Hope is no measure of anything nor something to protect. It doesn’t matter how many zillions of people have hope. What matters
is whether they can get another meal or not, and on a limited planet you can’t have unlimited anything, including hope.
Dystopian programming ! I’m laughing. If I drive down the road and am careful, am I programmed by doom and gloom?
We are facing disaster, probably in our lives, but certainly our children’s lives. The population will not double again.
Will Big Brother win and what remains, lives on a prison planet, or will re-localization win?
That is the question.
I’m surprised you don’t understand what ecology means. It is not a belief system. But if you don’t get it, try not eating for 90 days. See if hope helps. Ask how much food is grown within 30 miles of where you live, and if your community can support itself? Now double the number. Now triple it. Now ten times. How about USA has 60 billion people in it, not 500 million. According to hope, that is no problem. And anyone who thinks it is a problem has negative programming and wants depopulation, which is bad.
So I am surprised you don’t understand what the word ecology means.
What we should want is an end to insane elite, so we can have a sane ecology again, or, we will have to seek rebirth somewhere else, and this planet is done for. Insanity is now in charge. The suffering they cause extends to all plants and animals. Do you agree? And we are the base of their pyramid that thinks we need electricity, even nuclear powered, so we can have more and more consumerism. Dystopia is already here actually, but can we stop the crime? We have no place to put the radioactive waste but keep producing it. That is insane.
Ray
On 10/30/2015 at 2:35 AM, “Marilyn wrote:Ray, you both sound like you want depopulation also.
Huh? Think about it, you child lives and I have more hope than you.
Dystopian programming. Sorry!
On Thursday, October 29, 2015, 11:37 PM, ray wrote:Well, consider his wisdom. The bottom line is the biosphere, not what we like or dont’ like.
He summed it up for me…. “More candy, less biosphere.”
My own view is our entire culture is off on a tangent and the correction will be radical.
And NO ET/ channeled beings get it. And no new age people get it. And Christians don’t get it.
Only the preppers understand…. The basis is food and shelter. Marilyn, I don’t think a miracle is going
to change the numbers.
He is very studied. He is years ahead of me.
When I was in Tibet I saw Chinese made solar ovens, the reflective surface long gone, rusting on their concrete columns.
At some point they were new and everyone was excited….
Our kids will live to see that rust everywhere, if they survive.
Ray
